We had come to a conclusion that the government did the right decision to open a casino.
With the opening of casino in Singapore, it will boost the country's economic.
Manpower is needed in the opening of the casino, with different jobs positions needed to be filled in.
With this casino, it brings a new image of Singapore given to other countries which will attract more tourist.With the opening of the casino there will be an influx of tourists . As these tourists need accomodation and food supporting industries will thus boom. Also with a larger market to work with service industries will also increase in the number of sales.
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i feel that a conclusion to this topic is a hard choice to make. what they had said in the boon of having an IR here in singapore. which is true, as the contributions towards the future economy of singapore is bright and rewarding. but when weighing the effects it has on the economical gains to the deterioration in cultured attitude among people, it brings us to think about which aspect rules the other.
I feel that the government did make the right decision to a certain extent. It sure did increase the amount of jobs for singaporeans to work and will further decrease the amount of jobless people. However, the catch here is that they will only hire people that are kind if talented in this area and not anyone else that know nothing.
Thus, this increasing of jobs idea will not benifit people from all walks of life
CASINO!!
IMO there will always be a pros and cons of every decision made.Ultimately,people have to decide for themselves how they want to run their own lives.LOL!
Ok i agree that the government do the right decision as this is one of the way to make spore floats.Like what xavier said it helps to boost spore economy and increase the number of jobs.
Unfortunately casino can cause problems that would disrupt families, drive crime , etc.So in order for Singapore to succeed, we must be able to adapt to new times, new trends, new culture.
I don't think starting a casino is a wrong choice. Even if the gov did not start a casino in Singapore, singaporeans will also travel oversea to gamble. An example will be Singaporeans going to our neighboouring country Malaysia to gamble. So instead of letting Singaporeans go oversea and spend money there, why not start a casino which will keep singaporean in Singapore and at the same time attracting tourist?? However there must be certain rules that must be followed in order not to ruin the families in Singapore.
i think this is a vry practical move by the governmen. Lots of employment oppuntines created, extra tax reveune to be collected, more tourist dollars, more money being passed around. How much more can u ask from just two building?
Nvm those gamblers and their families, afterall S'pore aready has Toto, 4D, Horseracing. Two extra casinos wouldn't be that bad an impact.
i feel that there will be fierce competiton in the casino world. such as las vegas and macau. most tourist would go there. however, the advantage of opening a casino in singapore is that it can create jobs for people
Hopefully the money spent on building them will be earned back. Tourist will not come to a place that have few customers.
Also, yes it will create jobs, if the business still gets going at the expect rate and not lose to any competitors nearby.
If not, many will lose their jobs in time to come.
Casino, I don't know. Integrated Resort, yes. Look at the proposals of the IRs. In the IRs, there isn't just the casino. There's the theme park and so on. It is not only the casino that earns the money, but the theme parks and such. There's nothing special about casinos, for theme parks, its a different story. In all, casinos are bound to earn money. But bad for the society in Singapore.
I don't agree with jing wei when he say 'don't care about the gamblers'. After all we are one as Singapore. i do agree that Singapore have other form of gambling but money spent on these gambling is lesser compared to a casino. Thus i do not agree on a casino.
i agree what jing wei as said regarding the 4d and toto . in recent reports, there were alread lots of heavy gamble in singapore , so what the difference of opening the casino that can provide jobs and revenue for the country.
If the money spent in 4D and TOTO is ' heavy' then what about the spending in a casino. at least for 4d and TOTO it is not open everyday. i mean only on certain day there is a draw. However i doubt that the casino will be closed on any day. Thus the casino will cause some to become addicted faster compared to 4D and TOTO.
i disagree what muneer say about there is a fierce competition. there is a competition but not that fierce as a new casino there will be lots of gambles want to experience new things.
i disagree that alvin said that casino will not benefit people from all walks of life. i think that it will benefit people from young to old . young cloud learn how the resort is manged and how casino is operate. the middle can find jobs .. and the oldies can enjoy their life by gambing.
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i think the government did make the right chioce for having IR in singapore.
IR benifits singapore by creating more jobs, attracting more tourist to singapore to spend money and thus thrive in our economy.
singapore is a small country, not many place for the tourist and local people to visit. sometime i find it boring to stay in singapore but with the opening of IR tourist will be willing to come twice or more and the local people will not need to travel to other country for gambling.
Its is true that singapore is small, as a result it does not have many attractions. Hence opening a casino is a right decision, something else for tourists to visit, a wonderful attraction, a tourist trap. Imagine a mini las vegas!
i feel that the goverment have made the right choice. it sure will inprove singapore's economic..
tourist will come to singapore to gamble.. we cant possible depends on places like sentosa forever.. touriest will be bored with it.. we need need things to attract touriest.. casino is a very good choice.. how many people will go genting to gamble everyday? its already clear that the goverment have made the right choice..
wei hao
i dont agree to wat alvin say.. few costumer? i dun think so.. its about gamble! who dun like? 9 out of 10 people will like.. not those who are mad in gamble.. but will gamble as a form of leisure.. and of cox.. casino will earn alot of money everyday cox alot people loese =/
singaporens tend to over-gamble. if their monthy pay is $1000, they would gamble $1500. thus, they start to owe loan shark.this is the common reason why family are broken up. some singaporeans also tend to use companies money to satisfy their gambling needs
i disagre with wat muneer say.. i dun think ther will be a fierce competion.. macau hav macau people.. las vegas have las vegas people.. singapore hav singaporean.. as for touriest.. people will love to travel around the world.. so there wont be any firece competition..
wei hao
its true that people over gamble.. that can only blame themselves and no1 else.. of cox not the government..
wei hao
Opening a cansino is sure going to cause some problems no matter how good is it. By opening a cansino, the government is going to make gd amount of tax money from them. With the money, the governmnet can spend more on the society to improve. Besides more jobs will be created. But there will always be the few who has gambling problems. But it is a small price to pay to improve the society as a whole. Do u ppl agree?
if you put a casino in singapore, wouldnt it be tempting for gambling-addicts to gamble more? so the government has jus put in a temptation which may jus cause more problems in the future.
Having a casino will create an unclean image for Singapore. For the past decades we valued hard work and honest living to gain reputation of a clean city. We want to trade our moral values for economic gains; only lead to practice of corruption, unrealistic dreams, quick gain but not counting the costs. Are our leaders so naive as to think that Singaporeans are super spiritual and mature to avoid the temptation of quick windfall? If the casino is only for the rich class; the rich can turn poor overnight by gambling away their wealth. We already have many entrepreneurs going bankrupt, do we want to add on the bankruptcy list by having the convenient of a casino right at our door step. We are inviting troubles for our future generations by degrading/compromising our values.
I like what Peiwen and Jingwei (latest post you gave) said. It highlights good analyses and gives other important issues relating to the casino debate. The casino is part of the IR - so look at how that play a role here. Next besides giving jobs to Sporeans, how does it help the govt/country and us? Think long term.
Great comments guys!
Gilbert - your group needs to post the articles for this. ASAP.
i heard from my friend that for singaporean to go in to the casino they will need to pay a entrance fee of $1oo. i think the government do the rignt decision as this will restrict singaporean to go gambling
hmm.. but you think just like this will stop singaporean to stop gambling?? some people is still willing to pay the money.. so called small money to them.. inorder to get into the casino..these people are "heavy" gambler.. so this small little "prevention" won't just easily stop them.
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we do face competition.if we do not have competition, why do the tourist in singapore declining? They used to stay an average of about 4 days in 1991, but now they stay only for 3 days. In contrast, on average, they are staying for about 4 days in Hong Kong, 5 days in London and almost a week in New York City.
i agree that casino will bring singapore more revenue the rest is left to be seen.
i agree with what muneer said.. casino in singapore might make the tourism here rise..but when singapore build the casino here.. it needs quite a big amount of money.. even if done, meaning the project completed, open for the first day.. you think there are alot overseas tourist come over to singapore for the casino.. i think not much people will know that singapore now has a casino.. yes tourism will rise.. but in the future.. so during the mean time, the period between open of casino and overseas tourist get to know that singapore has a casino and came over.. singapore might lose quite a big amount of money as there are people working inside.. they still have to get their pays.. casino is so big.. and will have alot alot of workers..
but i still think that the government do make a right decision to open a casino.. not saying about the gamblers.. other countries have casino too.. if singapore don't follow the "road" that other countries are on now.. we might not not able to catch with the very intense competition for the tourism.. if we do not have a casino to attract the overseas tourist.. just like muneer said.. tourist spend much more time in other countries than in singapore... as singapore now only has zoo, botanic garden, bird park, reptile park and sentosa to entertain the tourist.. and the same routine everytime.. that will be quite bored..
In 1991, things were cheaper in Singapore which may have attracted tourists to shop here. In 1991 June, the exchange rate of one US dollar to Sing dollars was 1.7782 SGD (20 days average). This info was obtained from www.x-rates.com. 1.7782 to 1.5375 today. The strengthened Sing dollar will cause things to be more expensive than in the past which will cause tourists to be reluctant to spend in Singapore.
Yes, i agree with daivd. We need to have more attractions for singapore to attract more tourist. However, we need to make sure it does not become another venue for heavy gamblers as they will tend to lose money and resort to borrowing money from loan sharks.
okie, i also agree with pei wen that things cost more in singapore and thus making tourist unwilling to spend.
However regarding the currency exchange. why is it singapore currency stronger? Why not US currency getting weaker?
(I AM ANDY)
Regarding this issue, I would say that the government made the right move; please read what I have to type before you disagree with me.
The idea of casino is just like eating a plate of fried chicken; if you don’t want to dirty your hand, you will have to use either a tooth pick or fork. Either one of the solution requires you to sacrifice something (a tooth pick or some water in the case of fork). These sacrifices might seem small, but, what we are discussing now concerns the country. If you don’t want to see our country losing tourists everyday, we will have to keep on coming out with new ideas to attract them. And I believe, each of them will have some price to it……
I feel the government really made a right decision to open the casino if you are talking about Singapore source of revenue for the next 10 years probably. Singapore is indeed a small country. All we can do is to promote service in Singapore. Casino would attract alot of people. Face it, everyone do like to try out their luck. It the human nature.
(I AM ANDY)
Just for people who are concerned about the problem of broken families by over gambling, there are gambling dens everywhere in Singapore; you never see it does not mean don’t have. In casino, everything can be taken control, like for example, the amount of money spent by the lower income group. Just like what Jia Wei and Jing Wei has mentioned, there are 4D, Toto, horse racing and you name it…… in Singapore already, so without casino, people will not go bankrupt because of gambling? The probability might be higher with a casino, but gamblers can work in the casino as “professional” to satisfy their hunger for gamble and earn money at the same time.
GREAT comments people! I like what Andy, Peiwen and Muneer says. Pei wen gives very good facts with relevant links and make good analyses - well done!
Again, where are the article for this GROUP?
i agreed on the opening of the casino. 10 years back when tourists knew about orchard.. to them, wao, its a nice and new place.. a atmoshere that maybe new to them. and coming back to present, its like not much of a change. tourists coming will slowly decrease due to the not much of attraction and change of S'pore. opening of casino with soon bring alot more tourists then before, some more its something new in a country that seem a dot to the rest of the world.. and one point is to remember, its a different kind of tourists coming.. a tourists who wants to gamble, a thought of wanting to win money, a thought of winning money away from their homeland and maybe this give them the enojoyment.. this is what kind of people that casino catches.
I agree with sean's comment. Singapore needs more attraction to get mroe tourist coming to singapore.
It's like playing a online game. If there is no frequent updates like new events, new items or fixing any bugs in the game, it will not attract many to come join and play the game. Even those who play will stop playing as there are no more challenges availble .
Thus, having a casino is bound to attract more tourist over, and they might even want to spend more time taking a look at other attactions we have like zoos and bird park. This will prolong their stay in singapore and perhaps, they might recommend this beautiful city to their friends.
A casino is nothing without advertisment, thus i hope during the process of annoucing the casino to the world, more people out there will get to know about this small dot on the map (singapore). I have know many who thought singapore is a 'state' in places like india. They even have trouble finding singapore on the world map.
Go casino~
i agree that the gvt did make a rite chioce. althought there aer pros and cons, the casino befits the majority of the people.
(I AM ANDY)
The public needs entertainment. This is without a doubt and is a fact. It needs entertainment daily especially when work becomes harder and people’s lives more complicated, more harried and stressful with the daily battle for survival.
Gambling no doubt is a form of entertainment.
And yes, it will cause addiction, but does it means that we don’t enjoy our life? I believe that for most of the Chinese comrades here do gamble with relatives during Chinese New Year. How many of your is under counseling now?
I suppose that the answer is “none” as all of you look quite okay to me. Gambling can just be a form of entertainment, which I believe that all of us here need. We shall not look at things through coloured spectacles; this will only give us a distorted image on the issue. We shall have more trust in ourself, the government and the public.
Nowadays, I believe that in this open and transparent society, the public and government will not allow things like family-violence-due-to-gamble cases to happen. The public will try their best to complain after receiving rumours (from neighbours or whoever else); on the other hand, the government will try their best to bring the matter to a satisfactory conclusion due to external pressure (eg. Opposition Party).
The debate of casino will not only benefit the economy, but the Ministry Of Education as well. With a casino means requires skilled bankers, and it means that Polytechnics or other Institutions will offer courses on “gambling arts”. In response to the “Yellow Ribbon” project, the government can even employ ex-heavy-gamblers to be the part-time lecturers of these fresh yet skill-orientated courses. This is killing multiple birds with one stone; why not go ahead with it?
Since Singapore has a very limited amount of land, we should make full use of it; aside from building HDB houses, we shall also build more tourist attractions. Singapore’s achievements and glamorous results do not come by chances, in order to maintain our prosperity, we will have to constantly upgrade ourself. If any body here does not want to see Singapore leaving behind, yet not agree with the idea of casino, do you have a better idea? I am not trying to direct against anyone of you, but I sincerely welcome suggestion that can bring our discussion into the next level.
For gamblers; if every body knows their limit, a lot of tragedies could be avoided.
so it all goes back to the peoples decisions, where there is an 'if' involved. a casino, no doubt, has its pros and cons. since the government has decided that its to be built, maybe its true that the pros overrules the cons?
it may not be the pros overrule the cons.. maybe its just that the government see this opening of casino gives a more income flow coming in.
from my opinion i feel that opening a casino in singapore is is both good or bad.
Professor Earl Grinols of Baylor University suggests that casinos increase the number of pathological gamblers in a community. Through cost/benefit analysis, Grinols concludes that in order to have positive net economic effect, casinos would need to employ roughly 13% of a community of 100,000 people.(btw,pathological behaviour and feelings happen regularly, unreasonable and impossible to control)
as said, it provide a large number of jobs, however it also pose a huge problem of creating pathological gamblers. is it worth it?
A casino is a facility that accommodates certain types of gambling activities. Casinos are often placed near or combined with hotels, restaurants, retail shopping, cruise ships and other vacation attractions. Some casinos are known for hosting live entertainment events, such as concerts and sporting events.
thus,this would invite foreign organisation to organise events in the casin, thus increasing tourism and economy in singapore.
in my earlier post i said that building a casino in singapore may cause an increase in pathological gamblers. if it are foreigners, that is great as thats the point of building a casino. however if it is locals , that will post a huge problem as it may cause singapore economy to fall. they will be addicted in trying to get easy money till it cause their downfall. those who suceeded to get a lot of money will be more greedy and will want more. an example in in a show called 'deal or no deal'.indirectly it is a gambling show where people try to so called win it big. in one of e 2nd or third show, there was this female contestant.she got more than 15k but however due to the audience (i think they were paid to confuse the contestant) and stress of trying to get more money, she went home with only 750 bucks.
however singapore is already trying to tackle this problem. shows on television are air telling people about the harmfullness of gambling and places for addicted gamblers to go to to seek help to cure them of their addictiveness to gambling were also set up. in the news it is said locals have topay higher to enter the casino.
thus from my point of view, i feel that it is okay to build a casino in singapore. i feel that the singapore government also build the casino more for foreiners rather than loacal , thus they will surely come up with plans to stop singaporean to gamble in the casino
i agree that Singapore do the right decision in opening a casino..to look as a whole picture,
there're more benefits than disadvantages. Mainly it's to boost
the Singapore's economy by attracting tourists to Singapore..
To enter the casino, Singaporeans have to pay a $100 entrance fee. I don't think Singaporeans who want to gamble will go there. They would rather gamble that $100 away, maybe in an illegal gambling den.
as in Singapore today,we are losing tourists to other coutries,as our places of interest are becoming "boring" to them..
By building a casino,allows Singapore to keep up with the competitive whole..and this would even attract investors to come to Singapore to set up companies or organise events here.
agreeing to what zaidi mentions earlier,government has set up rules and regulations that for singaporean to gamble in the casino, there're stricter requirements imposed..if their family members find that they're facing financial difficulties,the casino can stop them from entering.
In the long term,dont u think there will be lots of competition goin on?Now almost all d developed country wants to open a casino in our country.
Even Taiwan Taiwan is also considering lifting its ban on casinos, while Thailand is also seen as likely to relax its gaming laws in the coming years, frm an AFP news report.Dont u see there will be a hot competition goin on later.?
Lukily spore is smart enough nt to only open two casino bt also an intergrated resorts which consist of a luxurious hotels, shopping centre n even theme park for all kind of differnt ages.Now as u all can c that our fairies wheel is almost ready.
what yewming said is true. the casino in S'pore is not the same as other countries.. if only you got the money and no finacial problem in the family then you can enter the casino in S'pore.. with this rule, problems more or less had already cut down quite alot.
opening of casino bring life and flare to the country at the same time bringing more people from around the world and feel the existence of singapore
Bring Singapore to a higher level of status like las vegas, hongkong. With this it will attract more tourist thus earning more revenue for the country. Therefore more money can be spend on improving the amenities of Singapore
Singapore is a small country, how big can the casino be?? The first time comer will come to Singapore as they are curious. I feel the they will be bored as there will not be as much things as other countries therefore they rather go to other country to gamble
i feel that the size of the casino would not affect potential tourist to come. Even illegal gambling dens also have lots of patrons. so i feel that casino would definitely attract many people to come.
I feel that we should focus on the idea of the intergrated resort and not the casino. I mean if you just build a casino alone. I feel that it not a good decision as its promoting gambling. Intergrated resort provides a venue for everyone in the family. i feel that government did the right decision to open the IR.
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